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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2014 18:47:14 GMT -5
Umm, just wanted to touch up on a couple of things.
1. Agree with you on the gameplay thing- it can get pretty tedious, even with the updates done to it. 2. You don't kill Satan. You just don't. Sorry, but that's the joke. 3. This is a deconstruction of morality games, so as far as my experience with what I saw goes, I feel pretty confident in saying that the game was not going to end the way you wanted to, ever, whether you expected a good ending or not (and tbh the game didn't let your hopes get too high). In fact I prefer it this way- it shows just how meaningless our actions are in general, and how sometimes things just don't go our way no matter how hard we try. Having Brad completely melt down, though, would not be doing the game a favor. You're supposed to winge, you're supposed to feel bad for both Brad and Buddy, it's not supposed to be clear and obvious at all. Making him a complete monster would just make it slightly more black and white, and that would make the game a morality game, which it's not. 4. I'm pretty sure I said this in chat, and I'm pretty sure I told YOU this, so I'm not going to repeat myself: Brad was a Joy junkie before the game even started. No, it didn't matter if you took Joy or not during the game, because he already did for a long time before the game starts. So his fate was already sealed. Does that mean you should just abuse Joy? You can, if you want. You should embrace the lack of meaningful choices, but remember that the choices you make can reflect you as a person.
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Post by A.B. on Dec 7, 2014 19:05:35 GMT -5
Rando For Best Final Boss in an RPGMaker game. That is all.
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Post by Gitaxial on Dec 8, 2014 12:02:10 GMT -5
I don't know if it was intended, but to me the illusion of choice seems to possibly be a jab at the whole "choices" thing? I fail to see how somebody can whiplash so quickly with the choices thing between the demo and the current game. It could all just be very satirical that the game was funded because of the "meaningful choices" turns out to have the same shitty non-choices like every other game. I mean you could see it that way, but it feels a bit like a cop-out regardless, I'm not happy with it. It was still surprisingly high-quality for an RPG-Maker game.
Buddy was a character that I disliked a lot. She came across as hugely selfish and ignorant, even if she was a sheltered kid. There never seemed to be any warmth and the fact that she can CHOOSE to leave Brad to die alone and without a hug says a lot.
I'm even of the opinion that Terry Hintz was possibly a nicer character than Buddy.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2014 19:47:06 GMT -5
Yeah, it's really hard to sympathize with her. But kids are kinda cruel in that way. Especially when they get old enough that they wanna be independent, then a lot of them are just fucking heartless.
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Post by LambdaDelta on Dec 9, 2014 19:51:47 GMT -5
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Post by Gitaxial on Dec 10, 2014 2:33:20 GMT -5
Was it ever mentioned that you had to be totally addicted to Joy in order to turn into the monsters, or could one time do the trick?
I'm assuming that the Joy side-effects could occur in females as well, if they took it.
Buddy seems to be fucked all ways, no puns intended. She'd turn into one of the monsters anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2014 10:46:51 GMT -5
Once you take it, you can never go back. And Brad took it before the game even started proper, so he was already a doomed man. And Buddy tried it as well, so it's very possible that she'll become a monster, too. I think death might actually play into becoming one, although maybe if you take enough you'll just become one anyway. Like, look at Blue, that Power Rangers ripoff. I don't know if they said what happened to him, but he looked pretty fucked up- he was all bloody, and his back looked wrecked. To me it seemed like he died and just came back as a cripple monster thing. But I could be wrong.
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Post by deathcl0ck on Dec 17, 2014 15:45:08 GMT -5
I've already created a thread about this game that is getting completely ignored, so I'll just post my thoughts here. This image sums up my thoughts on the story of Lisa exquisitely. Brad's torturous odyssey to save his daughter ends up being for absolutely nothing. All he gets in the end is a giant middle fucking finger in the form of not only his comrades betraying him and his dumb ass fucking daughter being a stupid little cunt, but he also turns into one of those fucking mutant blobs for being a god damn pill head in the past and presumably kills his daughter who was sleeping in that building at the end of the game. Other than the infuriating plot, I found most of the characters pretty charming and the humor actually made me laugh out loud at times. Oh, and Buzzo definitely needs to get fleshed out in either the next game, or possibly a future update.
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Post by A.B. on Dec 17, 2014 15:48:51 GMT -5
I've already created a thread about this game that is getting completely ignored, so I'll just post my thoughts here. This image sums up my thoughts on the story of Lisa exquisitely. Brad's torturous odyssey to save his daughter ends up being for absolutely nothing. All he gets in the end is a giant middle fucking finger in the form of not only his comrades betraying him and his dumb ass fucking daughter being a stupid little cunt, but he also turns into one of those fucking mutant blobs for being a god damn pill head in the past and presumably kills his daughter who was sleeping in that building in the end. Other than the infuriating plot, I found most of the characters pretty charming and the humor actually made me laugh out loud at times. I thought it was presumed he raped her because it said the cycle continues as in molestation abuse like what drove LISA to suicide but maybe that's just my take on whats implied.
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Post by deathcl0ck on Dec 17, 2014 16:00:28 GMT -5
Does blob Brad even have a fucking dick anymore?
Maybe that black appendage that he was using to move himself along is what his dick morphed into.
But in all seriousness, I do find that take on the situation a bit more poetic than mine.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2014 16:13:01 GMT -5
I've already created a thread about this game that is getting completely ignored, so I'll just post my thoughts here. This image sums up my thoughts on the story of Lisa exquisitely. Brad's torturous odyssey to save his daughter ends up being for absolutely nothing. All he gets in the end is a giant middle fucking finger in the form of not only his comrades betraying him and his dumb ass fucking daughter being a stupid little cunt, but he also turns into one of those fucking mutant blobs for being a god damn pill head in the past and presumably kills his daughter who was sleeping in that building in the end. Other than the infuriating plot, I found most of the characters pretty charming and the humor actually made me laugh out loud at times. I thought it was presumed he raped her because it said the cycle continues as in molestation abuse like what drove LISA to suicide but maybe that's just my take on whats implied. Yeah, I took it as a cycle continuing as well. Buddy having taken some joy makes me favor that interpretation in my mind since now it's inevitable that she'll turn into a monster as well now.
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Post by A.B. on Dec 17, 2014 16:45:47 GMT -5
Also deathcl0ck , the creator is working on a new game as we speak so he might add more vague links to LISA and maybe explain Buzzo and other stuff more. Its hard to say what direction he's going in because he's heavily inspired by RPGMaker games which are always vague as hell. For me, Rando was probably the most interesting character because people were naturally drawn to his willpower to survive and the most flesh out character (Being Brad's ex-student who also suffered abuse and probably would have protected Buddy better than Brad could). You could say his army naturally raided by their own urges to violence and survival with Rando only using their victims to generate food so they could live on. I dunno, I just don't sympathies that greatly for Brad because he only took Buddy in because he was a girl an said one day she would be a women. Rando himself seemed more incline to actually protect her from abuse as no one dared cross him.
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Post by deathcl0ck on Dec 17, 2014 18:33:29 GMT -5
Yeah, Rando was quite the enigma.
When Mike hit him with his motorcycle and it didn't even faze him, I was totally expecting the motherfucker to turn around to reveal himself as Jebediah. I also think that whole wrestling segment was a missed opportunity for Jebs to make an appearance.
It really sucks that Mike couldn't give any solid creative input because of real life getting in the way.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2014 7:03:28 GMT -5
While searching around for a fix for the lagginess I experience when riding the motorcycle (makes the game unplayable for me in these parts =\) and other various parts, I came across this piece of information for people interested in wanting to know where LISA stands with the previous LISA rpgmaker.net/games/4719/ So this, if the creator hasn't changed his mind from back then to now, is a kind of prequel.Good to know. Kinda figured it was a kind of prequel, even though some aspects of it make me think of it as a sequel actually.
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Post by Gitaxial on Dec 21, 2014 10:13:11 GMT -5
Strange. The Lisa RPG makes it sound like it's after the original Lisa because of Marty (was that his name?) being old and Lisa seemingly dead.
I did wonder if the original Lisa, was she actually dead in her game already in some sort of purgatory, as there's a lot of symbolism of religion/faith and crosses, which don't pop up again in the RPG.
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